Sunday 21 April 2013

Game Theory, Loud Family and Scott Miller live and rare.

After seeing a number of posts on the LF/GT Facebook page regarding live and rare stuff and finding out that some of my old links no longer work, I've put this post together which rounds up all my stuff in one place.

It's all yours.

Some of the files are missing basic information - venues, exact dates etc. Any updates will be gratefully recieved. Some of the files will only be available for 14 days, but I'm looking for a more permanent home for them.

I scooped these recordings up from a variety of sources, but most of the live recordings can be traced back to "Photo" Robert Toren. I'm indebted to Oxy, Don Valentine, Mick, Lunchboy and numerous subscribers to Dimeadozen for the rest. A sincere thank you to you all.  

All the Game Theory albums have beenre-issued beautifully by the amazing Omnivore label

Buy Loud family CDs, DVDs and Scotts' book "Music: What Happened?" here:


(Rational Records, 1979)
Green card
What’s the Matter
Gumby’s in a coma
When she’s alone
(Rational Records 1981)
Another wasted afternoon
Sex war
The new you
Dark days
Occupation unknown
Beach State rocking
Painted windows
Let’s not wait

(This and volumes 2 and 3 below are assembled from the tracks that appeared monthly for a while on They come from a variety of sources - some are live, some are rarities and, in the case of "Vado Via", specially recorded for the site. Also included are tracks from tribute and sampler CDs)

Look through any window
(Loud Family; Recorded for the compilation CD "Sing Hollies in Reverse")
When she’s alone
(Alternate Learning; From the Alternate Learning EP, recorded 1979)
Beach state rocking
(Scott Miller; solo acoustic performance from an Oct. 9th 1985 Game Theory show in Detroit - venue unknown)
Here it is tomorrow
(Game Theory; recorded on Nov. 3, 1988, at Max's On Broadway in Baltimore )
Chardonnay (long version)
(Game Theory; Included as CD copies only featured the edited version to keep the total album time within acceptable limits)
We love you Carol and Alison
(Game Theory; recorded on Nov. 3, 1988, at Max's On Broadway in Baltimore )
(The Loud Family; performed as an encore by Soott Miller. The track was recorded at the
Loud Family's Oct. 5, 1996 show at the Hotel Utah in San Francisco)
The Letter
(Game Theory; From the French only LP Dead Center 1986)
He do the police/beauty and the beast
(The Loud Family; recorded Feb. 1, 1993, at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco)
Back of a car
(The Loud Family; recorded Oct. 5, 1996, at the Hotel Utah in San Francisco)
(The Loud Family; recorded April 16, 2000 at TT the Bear's Place in Cambridge, MA
Inverness (with Aimee Mann)
(Aimee Mann and Scott Miller; recorded June 28, 1996, at Bimbo’s 365 Club in San Francisco)
Sexy Sadie
(The Loud Family; recorded July 9, 1998, at the Cactus Club in Milwaukee, Wl)
Cara Lee
(Scott Miller: recorded in 2008 for the 125 Records website)
Horse with no name
(The Loud Family: From the compilation 'Star Power' Pravda records 1995)
My free ride
(Game Theory; a Miller/Quercio composition from 1989))
Chicago and Miss Jovans Land-O-mat
(Loud Family; From the compilation Yellow Pills #4 Big Deal records 1997)
Vado via
(Scott Miller; recorded Fall 2001 at Scott‘s house )
Like a girl Jesus
(Game Theory;  recorded on Nov. 3, 1988, at Max's On Broadway in Baltimore )
We’re for the dark
(The Loud Family; from the Badfinger tribute album ‘Come and get it’)
You could make it all worthwhile
(Scott Miller: From the "Adolescent Embarrassment Fest" fan club tape; this song was written and recorded by Scott in 1977!)
Rose of Sharon
(Game Theory;  from the 1990 True Gamesters Christmas fan club tape)
A child’s Christmas saving the whales
( Game Theory; from the 1989 True Gamesters fan club recording)
(Game Theory; Part 2 of the Christmas selection, taken from Game Theory’s 1989 True Gamesters fan club recording, featuring Michael Quercio)

A huge thank you to Lunchboy for digging around in the dusty recesses of an abandoned hard drive and plucking these last remaining beauties from the void. As far as I know, this completes the set of files posted by Sue Trowbridge on It's Lunchboys' link to a Filefactory file. The trick is to click 'Slow download' and uncheck the box which says something like 'use Filefactory downloader'. Thanks again Lunchboy and also to Jen Grover who also raided her archives for the MP3s.

Dripping with looks
(The Loud Family; recorded on April 16th, 2000 in the studio of WFMU-FM in Jersey city, NJ)
Sword Swallower
(The Loud Family; alternate version. Recorded Aug 8th, 1998 at The Bottom Of The Hill in San Francisco)
Together now, very minor
(The Loud Family; recorded Sep 20, 1993 in the studios of Greater London Radio, London UK )
Total mass destruction
(Loud Family; recorded 1994 at Rob Poors house in San Francisco)
Corpus Christi
(Scott Miller; cover of  an Avengers song. Recorded Dec 21, 2000 at The Bottom Of The Hill in San Francisco )
Christmas Moog
(Scott Miller; recorded in 1977 at Scotts' parents house in Sacramento)
(Scott Miller; Brendan Benson cover, recorded Dec 21, 2000 at The Bottom Of The Hill in san Francisco) 
Fairest of the seasons
(Scott Miller; Nico cover. Recorded Sept 29th, 2000 at The Starry Plough in Berkeley)
Finnegans Wake
(Scott Miller; recorded June 30, 2001 at The Starry Plough in Berkeley)
Little Daisy
(Scott Miller; Anton Barbeau cover. Recorded June 23, 2001 at The True Love Coffeehouse in Sacramento )
Revolution 9
(Scott Miller and Anton Barbeau; recorded for a 'White Album' tribute that never materialised)
(Scott Miller and Kenny Kessel; Black sabbath cover. Recorded June 30th, 2001 at The Starry Plough in Berkeley)

*Footnote: The compilation gets it's name from the fact that I diligently dubbed all the MP3s onto two CDs which, over time, got corrupted, with several tracks becoming unplayable. Ain't technology great?

(Sent out to fans in the Game Theory fan club at Christmas 1990. Listen closely for tracks which were to appear on P.A.B.A.R.A.T a few months later)


(Fat Fonzies) (Audience Recording)
Penny things wont
Real nighttime
Curse of the frontierland
Waltz the halls away
Friend of the family
Nine lives to rigel five
Aliens of our midst
I wanna get hit by a car
Shark pretty
Rayon drive
I wanna hold your hand

(Audience Recording)
I’ve tried subtlety
Girl with a guitar
Shark pretty
Curse of the frontierland
She’ll be a verb
Waltz the halls away
Rayon drive
Make any vows
Book of millionaires
Real nighttime
Never mind
Friend of the family
Like a girl Jesus
Beach state rocking
The letter
Selfish again


(Metro Danceteria, October 4th)(Soundboard Recording)
01. ...I've Tried Subtlety  (fades in)
02. Shark Pretty
03. Curse Of The Frontierland
04. She'll Be A Verb -> ? (instrumental)
05. 24 (->)
06. Waltz The Halls Always
07. Rayon Drive
08. Never Mind
09. Make Any Vows
10. Real Nighttime
11. Couldn't I Just Tell You
12. Friend Of The Family (clipped at start)
13. Like A Girl Jesus
14. Beach State Rocking
15. Metal & Glass Exact
16. Erica's Word


(UCLA KLAX-FM 90.7 FM Radio Studios March 17th 1985 )(Radio Broadcast)
01. Pacing At The Station 
02. Say It Ain't So Joe
03. Chat
04. Girl With The Guitar
05. Chat
06. 24
07. Chat
08. Any Other Hand (partial version - Scott gives up!)
09. Chat
10. I've Tried Subtlety
11. Chat
12. Trouble
13. Chat
14. Back Of A Car
15. Chat
16. Any Other Hand
17. Chat
18. Where You Going Northern
19. Chat
20. Erica's Word
21. Chat


(Ziggy's, October 12th) (Soundboard? Recording)
01 Gloria
02 I’ve tried subtlety
03 Shark Pretty
04 Curse of the frontierland
05 Nevermind
06 Linus and Lucy
07 24 Waltz the halls away
08 Rayon Drive
09 Where you going northern
10 Make any vows
11 Here it is tomorrow
12 Real nigttime
13 Remake remodel


Berkeley Square, Nov 6th  (Soundboard Recording)
01. ...? (last 1 1/2 minutes only)
02. Shark Pretty
03. Never Mind
04. Curse Of The Frontier Land
05. The Only Lesson Learned
06. Baker Street
07. 24
08. Waltz The Halls Always
09. Where You Going Northern? ->
10. Real Nighttime
11. Rayon Drive
12. Couldn't I Just Tell You
13. ...Friend Of The Family (starts late)
14. I've Tried Subtlety
First Encore :::
15. Beach State Rocking
16. If & When
17. Remake Remodel
Second Encore :::
18. I Turned Her Away
19. Dead Center


(First Avenue, October 19th) (Soundboard Recording)
Rayon Drive
The only lesson learned
Like a girl Jesus
Waltz the halls away
Girl with a guitar
Look away
Where you going northern
Shark pretty
I've tried subtlety
Friend of the family
If and when it falls apart


(Berkeley October 2nd) (Soundboard Recording)
Carrie Anne
Rayon Drive
Waltz the halls away
Girl with a guitar
Look away
Where you going norther
Shark pretty
I've tried subtlety
Friend of the family
Kung Fu fighting
Curse of the frontierland


(Stanford University, May 16th) (Soundboard Recording)
01 Not Because You Can
02 One More for St Michael
03 Little Ivory
04 We Love You Carol and Aliso
05 Here It Is Tomorrow
06 I've Tried Subtlety
07 Dripping With Looks
08 Slip Away
09 Nothing New
10 The Real Sheila
11 Shark Pretty
12 Like a Girl Jesus


(Berkeley 1988) (Soundboard Recording)
Erica’s world
Not because you can
Metal and glass exact
One more for St Michael
Real nighttime
Like a girl Jesus
Friend of the family
The real Sheila
Look away
Shark pretty
Disrobing theme
Curse of the frontierland
Date with an angel
Remake remodel
White rabbit
Nine lives to Rigel five
LA woman
We love you Carol and Alison
I’ve tried subtlety 1
I’ve tried subtlety 2



(This was a promo cassette sent out to radio etc at the time of P.A.B.A.R.A.T)
Spot the wet setup
Back of a car
You can’t put your arms around a memory
Jimmy still comes around
Beauty and the beast
Take me down


(Great American Music Hall, Jan 1st) (Audience Recording)
Sword swallower
Isaacs law
Spot the setup
Rosy overdrive
Jimmy still comes around
Some grand vision…
Idiot son
Remake remodel
Take me down
Last day that we’re young
Even you
Give in world
Like a girl Jesus
He do the police in different voices


(Radio Broadcast)
Sword swallower
Isaacs law
Spot the setup
Rosy overdrive
Idiot son
Little ivory
Remake remodel
Take me down
And your bird can sing
Even you

LIVE 1996
Flood waters…
Spot the setup
Such little nonbelievers
Don’t respond, she can tell
Sword swallower
Uncle Lucky
Sodium laureth sulphate
Top dollar survivalist hardware
Baby hard to be around
Go ahead, you’re dying to
Asleep and awake…
Curse of the frontierland
We love you Carol and Alison
Jimmy still comes around
Like a girl Jesus
Couldn’t I just tell you

(Terrastock Festival)
Mozart sonatas
Not expecting both contempo and classique
Crypto sicko
Good, there are no lions in the street
Where they walk over St Therese/Sodium Laureth Sulphate
Rise of the chokehold princess
I'm not really a spring
Slit my wrists
Execution day
Way too helpful
Such little nonbelievers
Asleep and awake on the mans freeway


(Knitting Factory, April 17th)
01 Intro
02 Nice When I Want Something
03 Idiot Son
04 Backwards Century
05 Years 0f Wrong Impressions
0 Motion Of Ariel
07 The Waist And The Knees
08 Cortex The Killer
09 Don’t Respond She Can Tell
10 The Story In Your Eyes
11 Asleep And Awake On The Mans Freeway
12 Just Gone
13 720 Times Happier Than The Unjust Man
14 Sister Sleep
15 Encore Break
16 Where They Walk Over St Therese
11 Rosie Overdrive
18 Encore Break
19 Like A Girl Jesus
20 My Sharona
21 Dripping With Looks



  1. Thanks Rushbo. It's a very well-rounded tribute to a musical genius.

    I assume links for some of the shows posted without them are still to come?

  2. Yeah, there's about four more files to add - I'll do two more tonight and the rest tomorrow. I hope everyone enjoys them.

  3. Thank you so much for sharing these! RIP, Scott. Peace and strength to his loved ones.

  4. Thank you so much for assembling these! One very minor correction -- The Christmas 1989 Fan Club Cassette you've labeled in this post is actually 1990. It's correct in the original post.

  5. Cheers Wobblymusic - the info has been corrected. I've also added a load of detail to the 'Diginoise' compilations, if you're interested.....

  6. I may have Scott's "Fairest of the Seasons" cover on an old hard drive somewhere, and possibly some of the other tracks? I'll see if I can find them. Hopefully they were some of the things I actually backed up before that computer died.

  7. Lunchboy, that would be outstanding! The Nico cover is beautiful and I was particularly saddened to have lost that one. The Miller/Kessel version of 'Paranoid' however is...challenging...

  8. Frustratingly, so far I can only find a handful of tracks, and none of them are ones that you're missing. I'm as disappointed as you are -- I loved that Nico cover too! I'll keep looking, though. I've also burned some data CDs of old mp3s over the years and they might be on one of those. If not, maybe Sue has copies somewhere and will be able to post more archival music to the Loud Family site at some point. Fingers crossed. Losing Scott and his future music is bad enough without losing the music we were lucky enough to have had already.

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  10. Success! Here's a link to everything I had that I didn't see listed among the Diginoise tracks:

    The live tracks may very well be duplicated somewhere in the concerts you have available; don't know. And the outtake version of "Total Mass Destruction" sounds very similar to the version that ended up on "What If It Works?". Not sure if it's the same recording, or most of the same recording with some touch-ups, or what. Haven't listened closely to the two versions side-by-side. Glad I dusted this off! There's some good stuff in here I'd forgotten about.

  11. Lunchboy, you are an ultramega superstar! This is it - that's all she wrote. I'll put up these tracks for sharing as soon as I've stopped celebrating.
    Thank you SO MUCH!

  12. My pleasure! Thanks to *you* for posting all this other stuff -- I've barely had time to make a dent in it, but I'm excited to dig into it all.

  13. My Lord, this is amazing. Thank you.

  14. Just a great offering! I probably would have passed out from joy and amazement if I had come across such a wide range of Scott Miller rarities six or seven years ago.

    I KNOW I have (or to be more accurate HAD) better-preserved versions of some of the DigiNoise stuff. Let's see if I can dig them out (somewhat literally in a pile of mostly unsorted discs).

    Thanks as usual.

    So sad to hear about Scott Miller. I really admired the guy.

    Ace K.

  15. thanks for posting all this good stuff

    and the spam comments are truly funny

  16. Spam comments? What spam comments?

    How do I know that you're not spamming me?

  17. Fuck! just got anton barbeau mailing list and it says Scott miller is >dead<? I came right here, - hollering 'fuck' at the walls wasn't helping. I'm dumbstruck- worst yet was having anton barbeau tellme..
    I can't curse hard enough. I better go get information. this is not going to turn into a better thing.

  18. It pretty much sucks all the way around. RIP Scott. I guess we never knew how much you were hurting. I feel so so bad for his wife and kids.

  19. Scott Miller's family is raising funds for scholarships for his daughters. The link is (there's also a link on [And no, this is not intended as Spam.]

  20. Nice job, Rushbo.

    I have a few additional sets of live shows to share in my recent post here:

  21. Wow! What a post. I thought I had everything that was out there already. Wrong again.

  22. I've become a Game Theory obsessive in recent weeks (sadly I only discovered Scott's wonderful music after his passing).

    I wondered if anyone had MP3s of some of Game Theory's early vinyl-only recordings that didn't make Distortion Of Glory, these being:-

    It Gives Me Chills (original mix)
    I Wanna Get Hit By A Car
    37th Day
    The Letter

    Someone? Anyone?


  23. Jules? You there? Go to You can get there opening the URL on my link and there's also a link to the blog on this page among the list of other blogs. When you get there, check out the listings for April this year. Links should still be good. All you want and more, ripped from vinyl. Enjoy!

    1. Brilliant! I'm on it!


    2. Job done. Thank you so much, Oxy. I was starting to lose hope. You've made my weekend. :-)


  24. Holy moly, what a treasure trove. Thanks for posting!

    The Danceteria show seems to be missing Erica's Word - anyway you could post that track?

  25. Hey Rushbo,

    I am a huge, huge 10cc fan. And Todd. And a lot of the bands on your list. I am an American living in Scotland.

    I've been trying to track down the MP3s or WAVs of the FULL Santa Monica 1975 10cc concert, but so far, I've got two different CDs of the "official" version, and four tracks that everyone seems to have - I'm Not In Love, The Film Of My Love, Art For Art's Sake, and Un Nuit A Paris (which is apparently, really from a Dallas concert).

    Your blog talks about this show, and also, the Tower Theatre show, but I don't see the actual MP3s posted on your blog - maybe they never were, it isn't clear.

    Do you have these tracks? I love this band, I was lucky enough to see them in 78 for "bloody tourists" (and I'd kill for a copy of THAT show, live in San Diego, with Duncan Mackay on keys - fantastic show!) - I have a lot of Todd live stuff - maybe we could trade - although most of my cassettes aren't digitised, but I can get to the tapes, so maybe we could work something out.

    I've never heard "flying junk" live, and I couldn't BELIEVE that they play it - same for Un Nuit A Paris - I could not BELIEVE that they could play that - and play it well.

    Please drop me a line at, my name is dave - let me know if there is some way I can get these two 1975 concerts.



  26. I am listening to The Loud Family cover The Moody Blues' "The Story In Your Eyes" and having a hard time expressing how happy it's making me.

  27. Rushbo, don't know if you can help. I've been a long time Loud Family fan but never managed to track down any Game Theory on CD (not an easy thing to do). I missed the news about Scott's death until recently, and the downloads of Game Theory catalogue have gone from the official site. I don't suppose you (or anyone else reading this) could help me out?

  28. Thank you for making all of this music available. I did post on the Game Theory Christmas tapes here:

  29. Thanks so much. Amazing post. Happy holidays.....

  30. Any chance of a re-up of the Lolita Nation Demos and Lolita Nation PreRelease stuff? Links are dead. Thanks very much.

  31. I'm glad to see you back. Any chance of a re-up? I missed a couple of these way back when. I have Adolescent Embarrassment Fest to offer, should you not have that. Thanks in advance.

    1. Hi Edward - sorry this is so late! All the links should work now. Adolescent Embarrassment Fest would be fantastic as I am missing that - if you could send me a D/L link, I'd really appreciate it.

    2. I am buried with work right now, but I will send you a link this weekend. Glad to be able to contribute.

    3. My original rip was 10 years old and kind of a mess, so I re-did it. I hope you find this to your liking.

  32. BTW, the correct date for the San Francisco 1990 show is 2/1/93, it was the release show for PBRT. Cheers.

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